The World Cup is just 10 days away, so we're honored with this edition of 'A Capital Conversation' [see past editions
here,
here,
here and
here]
to chat with W. Jarrett Campbell, the founder of Triangle Soccer Fanatics (see bottom) and arguably the Raleigh area's most enthusiastic promoter of the "Beautiful Game."
Raleigh Philosophical Society: What is your personal background? Where did you grow up?
W. Jarrett Campbell: I grew up in South Carolina in a small town called Clinton (between Columbia and Greenville-Spartanburg). I got a Bachelor's degree in Chemical Engineering from Georgia Tech and then went on to get a Ph.D. in the same subject from the University of Texas at Austin. After working in the semiconductor industry in Austin for about 7 years, my wife & I moved to the Triangle area to be closer to family. We have 3 children -- Max 9, Molly 6, and Zoe 7 months. I have worked for Schneider Electric in Knightdale since 2003.
RPS: Where did you interest in soccer begin? Were you a player?
WJC: I played soccer as a child at our local Y.M.C.A. but in a small town like Clinton, the playing options were very limited. Once a child made it to middle school, there were no "city league" sports options, only those sports offered by the schools. As soccer wasn't a sport offered by either my middle school or high school, I focused on playing basketball in my teenage years.
I didn't really become a fan of soccer as a spectator sport until 1994 when the USA hosted the World Cup. At the time, I was in a student exchange program at University College in London. The international students only wanted to run down to the pub after class to catch the World Cup matches. Being a sport fan and social, I joined them, knowing very little about the professional game. I absolutely fell in love with their passion for the sport and the way soccer blended cultures together among a common language. At that point I was hooked.
RPS: How did you begin to get involved with supporting soccer in the Triangle? What was the genesis of TSF?
WJC: When I moved here in the Fall of 2002, I didn't know anyone in the Triangle who loved soccer as much as I did. At the time, it was quite difficult for soccer fans to watch the game on TV (before the days of Fox Soccer Channel and GolTV) and the typical chance to watch a USA or English Premier League match would be on Pay-Per-View.
I organized TSF initially as a YahooGroups Mailing List to try and solicit others from the area to come out and share in the fun of watching matches together (and also help share the cost of the PPV). We had our first get together for a USA versus Canada match in January of 2003 at SoccerDome America (now XL Soccer World).
RPS: How has TSF grown in comparison with the sport in the Triangle?
WJC: Whether you're talking about amateur clubs like CASL or Triangle Futbol Club or your thing is college soccer with the ACC schools, soccer has always been a big deal. But one of the challenges has always been that fan's loyalties were divided among all the schools and amateur clubs so it was hard to see the critical mass of soccer fans in the Triangle. At first with the Carolina Courage, and then later with the Carolina RailHawks, soccer fans found a common team they could all agree on and it has really helped the sport grow in the area I believe.
For the first few years of Triangle Soccer Fanatics, we were a pretty small, tight-knit group of friends that enjoyed the game. When the RailHawks came to town, we decided to transform our little mailing list (which at that point had evolved into a blog), into a full-fledged supporters group for the RailHawks in the model of similar clubs you'll find in Europe or with Major League Soccer teams in the USA.
Our membership really took off at that point as we found a new way to connect with fans in the Triangle. As the 2010 World Cup approaches, we've really seen our membership blossom. What started out as five people in the concessions area of SoccerDome

seven years ago, is now a club with well over 200 people involved in the RDU area as well as international members on four continents.
RPS: TSF is now a "free" club. What does that say about interest in the sport and in the RailHawks?
WJC: I think it says more about how we have evolved as a supporters club than anything.
There are some basic support costs associated with running a social club like TSF (websites, advertising, members benefits like t-shirts, etc.) and in the early years, it was pretty much a one-man show run by myself. As we have grown, we not only have reached a critical mass in membership numbers where I can count on a large group of "regulars" to show up for all of our events but I've also found a wonderful group of volunteers who have stepped up to help with some of the administrative tasks of the club.
Now that we've reached this stage in our maturity, we feel that through our own fundraising efforts (like being a ticket agent for the RailHawks or t-shirt sales) we can raise enough funds to cover the operational costs of the club. TSF was never about making money but rather the membership dues were simply a means to an end to make sure we could pay our bills. Fortunately, we're able to do that now while making membership free to everyone -- and we've seen our membership skyrocket as a result!
RPS: You were instrumental in coming up with the RailHawks' nickname. Talk a little about how that happened.WJC: The ownership of the new professional team decided to have a name the team contest. A buddy and I were bound and determined to come up with a good name for the team. We deliberated over it for days and weeks on end as we sat around watching soccer on TV and finally settled on RailHawks.
We were surprised when it was chosen by the team because we thought it was a bit "out of the ordinary" (which is why we liked it). The decision was met with a lot of
skepticism from the local soccer community -- even members of our own supporters club -- but I think it has grown into a pretty cool moniker. I wrote an essay on the background of how we came up with the name and you can find it on our blog here:
http://trisoccerfan.com/?p=1910
RPS: What's your favorite song/chant that the fans in the Depot do?
WJC: We've borrowed many chants from other supporters groups and customized them to make them our own. Probably the fan favorite is our "Coming Down the Rails" chant (video here:
http://www.youtube.com/trisoccerfan#p/a/u/2/BzkLyWfQdXE) which we co-opted from the Tartan Army -- Scotland's national team supporters club.
I'm particularly fond of the "I've Been Cheering for the RailHawks" sung to the tune of "I've been working on the railroad" not only because it is an original supporters song I wrote, but because it ties so nicely to the railroad/train theme behind the RailHawks name.
But my true favorite chants are the ones that materialize spontaneously based on what's happening on the pitch. One such chant evolved from a situation when our then-coach Scott Schweitzer was having a bit of a shouting match with some of the Charleston Battery coaches and players. Going all the way bac

k to his playing days in the league, Schweitzer had a fierce rivalry with the Battery and from that situation sprung up a chant of "Scotty Schweitzer hates the Battery and so do we!" to the tune of "She'll Be Coming Round the Mountain." The 204 Depot proceeded to sing the chant in verses substituting the name of just about every member of the supporters club there that night for the rest of the match.
RPS: Personnel and management aside, what would you like to see happen with the RailHawks as a franchise from a supporter's standpoint?
WJC: I think the RailHawks have done a great job of building an on-the-field product for fans to enjoy but I feel like they still struggle to find their audience here in the Triangle. Two noticeable absences from most RailHawks games are the Latino community as well as the 20-30-something urban, young adult crowd. If you look at teams in Portland and Seattle, for instance, that have had great success, much of it has been on the back of reaching out to these demographics in particular. These are also the groups that would add significantly to the supporters sections in the stadium and bring a lot more atmosphere to the games. If the RailHawks can figure out a way to market themselves beyond the youth soccer crowd, I think they'll have a recipe for success here in the Triangle.
RPS: In your personal opinion, do you think the Triangle will ever be considered an expansion market for MLS? Or would you even want that to happen?
WJC: To be honest, I'm torn about this. Obviously, the ultimate high-water mark for soccer in this country is Major League Soccer. It would be wonderful for the Raleigh-Durham area to have a second top-level professional team here to complement the Carolina Hurricanes. I would love it if the RailHawks eventually followed the pathway of Seattle, Portland, Vancouver, and Montreal in moving up to Major League Soccer. However, I think we must acknowledge that there are many more areas in the US that are both bigger television markets than RDU and have an investment group actively seeking to move into MLS. I just don't seen Raleigh-Durham being on an MLS expansion short list anytime soon.
On the other hand, I don't need the RailHawks to be a "major league" team to continue to have a lot of fun going to the games and supporting the team. In fact, my support would not be diminished even if they chose to move down a level to the USL-2 division. While the payrolls wouldn't be as high and the quality of play might be slightly degraded, it would put us into the same league as Charleston, Charlotte, and Richmond giving us a number of rivals in the local area. One of the hardest things about supporting the RailHawks today is trying to make it to an away match as our opponents are spread out all over three countries. Traveling to support your soccer team is one of the most fun aspects of being a soccer fan and we could travel a lot more of that if Carolina played in a league with more regional rivals.
RPS: Any thoughts on MLS/Division 2 running a relegation table?
WJC: Promotion and Relegation is one of the finest traditions of international soccer and I would love to see it implemented in the United States, but in many ways it seems impractical. Given the disparity in investment by owners of Major League Soccer teams and those at the Second Division level in NASL and USL, I just can't see the MLS board of directors implementing a system that could make their investment value drop as precipitously as it would with relegation.
However, I have a bit of a crazy theory about how this might happen one day. There is a big trend with Mexican first division teams playing games in the United States due to the ticket sales available to them here from the Hispanic population. MLS also seriously needs to tap into the southwestern markets in places like Phoenix, San Antonio,and El Paso. I have a vision that 10 years from now, the Mexican Futbol League and Major League Soccer form some kind of merger into a 40-team league with two divisions that practice promotion and relegation between the tiers. Think of it as an NFC-AFC or an ABA-NBA-type merger. I think this is absolutely the best thing that could happen for professional soccer in this country.
RPS: TSF supports not just the RailHawks but also the U.S. National Team and even holds meetups for European games and friendlies. Do you see this as an opportunity to "pull in" perhaps fans of English teams and national teams into supporting the RailHawks? Do you find transplants who want to support Carolina along with their "home" teams?
WJC: Yes. We have many members who joined the club having never been to a RailHawks game but joined us for their interest in English or USA soccer. One thing about soccer around the world is that it really is a "local" game. Supporting the team in the town you live in is as great tradition. Many of the transplants to the area have grown up in this culture and are looking for a way to connect to their new local team in some way and I would like to think that TSF provides that connection for many new RailHawks fans.
RPS: What would you like to see happen with TSF in the coming years?
WJC: To be honest, my goal of starting TSF was to connect with a few other fans in the area so I had a few buddies to sit around in the pub and watch matches with or someone to head out on a roadtrip with me to see a game or two. With close to 200 members in the fold now, TSF has already exceeded my wildest expectations.
Seven years into this great journey with TSF, I hope we continue to grow by reaching out to more soccer fans in the area and anything we can do to help grow passion in the area around the Beautiful Game is wonderful. I would like to see even more folks step forward in leadership roles and I'd also like to see us perhaps a bit more active with the local collegiate soccer scene. But truthfully, I'm very happy with where the club is today versus that first meetup we had at SoccerDome back in 2003.
RPS: Obviously the World Cup is coming up very soon. What are your thoughts on the U.S. team's draw and their chances?
WJC: There could not have been a better draw for the USA, in my opinion. First of all, we drew our colonial forefathers and the inventors of the game itself for the first match. England soccer
fans have always looked down their nose at the United States as a footballing nation and there would be nothing sweeter than a victory on June 12th. There are very few American soccer fans still alive that can remember that last time we played the English in a meaningful match and it would be one of my dreams come true for us to repeat the upset we pulled off in the 1950 World Cup.
Coupled with this dream match, we drew a couple of the weaker teams from Europe and Africa. We must be careful as there are no easy games at the World Cup. No team qualifies for this tournament that isn't world class. But I have to say I like the Yanks' chances of getting at least six points (two wins) from the three games and advancing through either in the first or second place in our group.
I've got two weeks of vacation from my job scheduled starting June 11th. I can't wait!
About Triangle Soccer Fanatics Triangle Soccer Fanatics is a group of soccer fans in the Raleigh-Cary-Durham-Chapel Hill area who love the Beautiful Game and love to get together and share our passion with other soccer fans.
We are the independent supporters club of the Carolina RailHawks professional soccer team and we are also a local RDU-based chapter of the American Outlaws, a US National Team supporters club.
In addition, we often get together for international club and country match watching parties, in particular English Premier League matches and World Cup matches.
Our mission is to the fill the stands when our teams play at home, and fill the bars when they play on television, with passionate, vocal, spirited soccer fans who revel in the excitement of every kick and cheer every tackle. Furthermore, we look to harness that passion and redirect it back into the local community through various outreach programs and in cooperation with the RailHawks’ Spread Your Wings Foundation.
(Photos from flickr)
James Taylor makes a direct reference in "Raised Up Family" off the October Road record.
"You got to ride it on back
Take me back
Back in Raleigh, North Carolina
Yeah, do you wanna go
Way back in Raleigh, North Carolina"
And also Chatham County Line: "The Carolinian"
"Well you know that moment still weighs on my mind ‘Cause I took my body to Raleigh, and left my heart behind"